Gaza: bad politics needs blood


 

Just a child

Palestinians in Gaza are again living another nightmare. The world, however, appears less interested than usual.  Dead Palestinians are common products on the international political markets at least last since 1967. As many may have observed, I have rarely commented or written about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. I am not a political scientist and I think that too much has been said and too little done. This post is intended to be just a reflection provoked by the sight of innocent people suffering and trapped in an endless conflict. I wish to tackle the current situation with a practical, and perhaps Machiavellian, question: who gains from this massacre? Certainly it will be neither the people of Palestine nor those of Israel, who will face, inevitably, the return of suicide operations that leave still more innocent people dead or mutilated. People gain from peace, not war. Yet war is a very profitable business.

Let me be clear about some points regarding Hamas and the Israeli government.  First we must look at Hamas for what it really is, and not for the Robin-hood many would rather it were. Hamas has great and grave responsibilities for what is happening and for the suffering that people in Gaza are facing. The decision to increase  (indeed they never stopped) the number of rockets fired into Israel was a clear provocation aimed to achieve a violent response by the Israeli government (which also never respected the ceasefire).  Hamas has demonstrated its disunity and level of oppression towards the Palestinians in Gaza.

Hamas is not a party; it is a movement with much in the way of internal conflict. Many Palestinians in Gaza or from Gaza, when speaking freely, are extremely critical of Hamas, and the violence and oppression used to subdue whomever disagrees with their politics and methodology, which is often  brutal.

Hamas has more interest in its own gain than the destiny of Palestinians, and for this reason it is ready to sacrifice them to the altar of money and power. Indeed, this is the ultimate motivation behind an organization which has changed deeply and become controlled more by mafia interests  than by any real political agenda for a prosperous Palestine.

Indeed, Hamas, as it is today, can only offer to the Palestinians of Gaza two words: war and hate; war against the Israeli and hate for its political rival, Fatah. People cannot live in an eternal struggle, yet Hamas can only exist in such a context because it was born out of that very context.

Unfortunately,  to remain in  business, Hamas needs to maintain control and fight both dangerous internal challenges and external pressure. Peace is an enemy for Hamas even more than the Israeli army; peace and stability will bring scrutiny from the inside, from the Palestinian people, and with that, political decadence.

War, destruction and desperation help, though at high cost, to maintain control and popularity, at least outside Gaza. Hamas is more popular among Palestinians, and in general Muslims, whom have not lived in Gaza and are shielded from the most brutal aspects of  this movement which has lots much of its original identity and leadership.

Unfortunately, many Muslims live with a myth of Hamas as the ‘freedom fighter’ but are simultaneously ignorant of Hamas as capable of being power-money hungry, abusing human rights, exerting excessive control over private life, and even oppressing innocent Palestinians. Many Muslims see  Hamas as a unitary, monolithic paladin of Palestinian rights. It is not. Some Palestinians have even suggested that their condition was better under Israeli occupation. Do Palestinians in Gaza have a choice? They can only choose between the brutality of Hamas and the brutality of Israel. As usual, between two brutalities, normally people prefer their own.

Now, it is important, when we speak of Israel, like when we speak of any other country, to remember that decisions are taken by governments which, after elections, respond more to political parties than the people (some may notice that even in the UK, the current PM was elected by a party, not by a real democratic vote!).

The Israeli government, controlled by the  triumvirate  Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Defense Minister Ehud Barak, has decided to embark on a total war against Hamas not only because of the rockets fired by the latter, but also because of a political opportunism linked to the forthcoming elections  in February.

Few have noticed that  polls were indicating that Kadima  has fallen far behind LikudBenjamin Netanyahu, the leader of Likud, represents very well the stagnation of Israeli politics – linked to the past and unable to provide a real future to many young Israelis. However, Netanyahu had better support than Tzipi Livni because of his campaign promised to deal, once and for all, with the rockets and threats from Gaza.

It is not difficult to see  why the  the  triumvirate have decided to sacrifice Palestinians’ lives. They are going to remove the winning card from Netanyahu’s hands, moreover, with operations which will go on for weeks, they will destabilize the region, increase the possibility of suicide attacks, and the Kadima trio can hope that the well worn adage about not changing government during war will hold true and give them an electoral victory, despite the corruption endemic within the party.

The lives of Palestinians, for the Israeli governments, have never been relevant.  It is as if Palestinians, leader after leader, are an annoyance that, despite all efforts to get rid of them, are rather like ants, endlessly reappearing despite the destruction. Of course, although the ethnic cleansing temptation runs through some of the leaders of Israel, today that option cannot be proposed even in the most secret of ominous bunkers. Yet the attitude towards the lives of Palestinian has not changed: they are seen as less than human, however this is not dissimilar from how Hamas, and some Palestinian resistance movements, likewise see the Israeli people.

And here lies the main issue: both parties, the Israeli and Palestinian leaders, share at least something in common: an immoral and unethical view for which political gain are more important than innocent lives, including those of women and children.

Hamas has no problem to sacrifice Palestinian lives in the name of an impossible mission (to remove Israel from the Middle East), and the Israeli government has no issue with endangering the lives of innocent Israelis with the inevitable retaliation of suicide bombing and killings.

Although history is important and certainly injustices are difficult to accept, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict cannot be resolved without pragmatism. To look back to the past, in this case, means to deny the future and perpetuate the circle of killing. Yet this is not only an issue that Palestinians and Israelis have.

The conflict has become globalized and has been transformed into a kind of  ‘religious’ confrontation, when of course, it is not. For as long as the past continues to interfere with the future, and so long as people go on killing each other in order to establish whom is right and wrong, there will not be peace. Palestinians and Muslims have to accept one simple fact: Israel is here to stay. Israel and its supporters have likewise to accept that sophisticated forms of ethnic cleansing will not be sustainable nor sucessful. Palestinians are, generation after generation, there to stay, and if a solution not found, to fight.

The Palestinian-Israeli conflict needs an innovative approach which, in my opinion, has to start from below; from the people themselves. The real issue, and the reasons for which Palestinians find themselves with movements such as Hamas and Fatah, and the Israelis with one of the most incompetent and corrupt governments that a democratic country can have, is that the people of Palestine and Israel have given up much of their  hope of living in peace.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict, of course, has some clear historical reasons. Yet the fact that it is still one of the most deadly conflicts affecting civilians is due to extremely bad politics, and bad politics, akin to a kind of cancer,  requires innocent blood in order to perpetuate itself.

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26 thoughts on “Gaza: bad politics needs blood

  1. A boat load of lunatics tried to sail a private yacht into Gaza under the pretense of delivering medical supplies. They were turned back by the Israeli Navy. The boats collided during the encounter. However, the damage was light. Unfortunately, head Moonbat, former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, did not fall overboard during the encounter.

    Far-Left Hamas Supporters Coming to Gaza by Sea

    by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz

    (IsraelNN.com) Free Gaza, a far-left organization offering support to the jihadist Hamas government in the Palestinian Authority, sent a ship on Monday to defy the Israeli sea blockade on Gaza. Despite the major IDF military operation underway, sixteen Free Gaza activists, including a former member of the US Congress, are on their way to the region.

    The ship, a yacht, left from Cyprus this evening carrying Free Gaza supporters from Britain, Australia, Ireland, Cyprus and Tunisia, as well as former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. Free Gaza spokesmen told the press before they set off that their ship is carrying three and a half tons of medical supplies, including antibiotics. The yacht is the sixth of its kind sent to Gaza by the organization in four months.

    A Cypriot doctor on board the ship said that they are sending a message to PA residents that “they are not alone.” McKinney said that she intends to call on American President-elect Barack Obama to condemn Israel’s Operation “Cast Lead” against the jihadist regime in Gaza. Link here. The Intellectual Redneck

  2. My heart goes out to the people of Gaza. Inumerable injustices have been done against the people of Palestine and this has to end.

    Israel continues with its terror and carnage and the world watches silently. It seems that the few thousand protestors are the only humans left on the planet.

    The Palestinians rockets are a desperate attempt to lift the blockage and seige of Gaza. It was Israel that imposed this inhumane seige and it was Israel that broke the Cease-Fire. Just because their zionist brothers in the west own all major media networks, they lie and fool the world into believeing that their actions are justified and that they are only ‘retaliating’. Their lies and manipulations make people believe that Israel is always the ‘victim’.

    Hamas is a democractically elected Government, established through free and fair elections. But this version of democracy and the mandate of the people of Palestine is unacceptable to the West. This is the hypocrisy of the west, and they continue to support Israel in its crimes against humanity.

    Towards Everlasting Peace.
    Towards a World without Israel.
    Towards the Third Intifada.

    PS: Jews are welcome to live in Palestine.

  3. Gabrielle, let me disagree with you on this post. This is not about Hamas and more importantly the religiosity of Hamas is not the issue, as secular (soft Zionist) liberals will want us to believe. Yesterday Fatah were the bandits, pre Oslo days, and now it is Hamas. Fatah, on the other hand, are now viewed as a moderate and more importantly ‘secular’ voice of reason, as are the moderate Arab states. Discourse constructs Hamas on religious lines, they have a reified social base and world view, so the problem is Hamas and not Israel (even if it reacts disproportional to provocation of the bad natives). It follows that Hamas are committed to wiping ‘Israel’ off the map (which is not a bad thing in itself, in fact it should be commended) and Hamas will always picture the struggle on religious lines. They are, in essentialising terminology, all that is abhorrent with the ‘wrong’ natives. Its commitment to the legality of suicide bombings is a symptom of this problem. In other words, take away Hamas from the equation, then the voice of reason on the Palestinian side can appear and likewise the voice of reason will appear at the other end i.e. the ‘Israeli’ side. The ‘Israelis’ want peace, they are not responsible for the actions of their government. In fact it is just the nature of the political system that annuls the voices of reason and brings in the hard zionists. Therefore ‘Israel’ is a nation state, potentially good and democratic, but let down by the actions of certain leaders.

    I want to clarify some points:

    First, Hamas are affiliated with the Brotherhood, in terms of literature, ideas and social base. The Brotherhood, let alone the hard Islamists, cannot be viewed as coming from a primordial religious tenet, they adapt and change, and their military strategies are more contingent to context than to religious text. Remember Ijithad, or the process of reaching a legal judgement, to many of these Brotherhood organisations, is defined by some very creative reading of the concept of Masalih in Islamic jurisprudence. In reality their strategy, whether political or military, is defined more by context than a reading of text. This is the nature of Brotherhood organisations and they have come under much critique from the harder Islamists and even the more traditional circles for it. I can cite much evidence for this (for example, consider the criticism that the government Wahabis have levelled at Hamas and one of their main spiritual leaders [Yusuf Al-Qaradawi] for the legalising of suicide bombings). Therefore they are more than likely to be influenced by the context of the struggle. Further, even suicide bombings are justified by Christian clergy and leftist secular groups amongst the Palestinians. Maronite Patriarch Sfeir (of all people) considered suicide bombings the natural right of the Palestinian people, as they defend themselves and properties against endless Zionist oppression. This has also been repeated by Eastern Orthodox patriarchs in Palestine and even liberals such Jamal Al-Banna. Suicide bombing, and their supporters, do not necessarily come from an ‘Islamist’ religious base or rationale, often it is rationalised by context rather that text qua text. Textual reading often comes post the event and often it is read and influenced by events and what is viewed as an effective strategy. The actions of Hamas are the actions of desperate and oppressed, they are the ones, i.e. the Palestinians (Hamas cannot be separated from the Palestinians as Hezbollah from the Southern Lebanese), that are the victims of the original sin of 1948. In fact, the conflict should be viewed as a consequence of that original sin, this includes understanding the essence of Zionism, which is ipso facto, by its essence racist and cannot live with Palestinians except as subjugated third or fourth class people. Hamas in internal dialogue, unlike Fatah, have shown a large degree of flexibility, when forming a unity government, when by democratic vote they are entitled to the majority. They have also offered indefinite ‘Hudna’ agreeements with ‘Israel’, provided its withdrawal to the 1967 lands and the dismantling of settlements. So how are they following a dream, again even when using imperialist standards of the achievable.

    Second, ‘Israel’ is in no way similar to other nation states. ‘Israel’, while not exclusively an anomaly, is structurally a Zionist state that identifies itself on biological racist lines – the homeland of the ‘Jews’. When we speak of the Zionist it has a given referent, that while open to adaptation, is defined, in the final instance, as accepting Palestine as the property of the Jews by blood right, and whoever else finds themselves in such land are there as citizens of the ‘Jewish’ state and therefore structurally and systemically viewed as lesser citizens in terms of rights. The idea of a land of Palestine as a property of the ‘Jewish’ people by ‘race’ and bloodline, takes more from enlightenment ideas of biological ‘race’ and hierarchy, than traditional religious Judaism. The Jewish Land Fund, which is a nationalised state organisation defines itself as such and more than that gives out stolen land, from 1948 and beyond, as property of any ‘Jew’ by bloodline, wherever they are. The very nature of Zionism qua Zionism in no way can be compared to other nation states, that just happen to get mad and bad leaders, by electoral quirks, even when not representing the majority of their population. By being an ‘Israeli’ and aligning yourself with such a state, you are identifying yourself by biological racist ideas as inheritors of a land. This applies whether to softer Zionist groups, such as Meretz (that supported the bombing of Gaza), all the way to Likud. They are all part of the WZO and adopt their charter. Can a voice of reason can from such an ideology? Can such a colonialist European venture even be considered as the second side of two warring factions? Why should anyone accept its existence, under whatever pretext, unless they succumb to a colonialist and imperialist project in the hear of the middle-east.

    Finally, Hamas’ clash with Fatah was not of their own making. Yes, I agree Hamas could have chosen not to clash, under whatever plot or provocation. Still, the events leading to the clash was an orchestrated attempt by Fatah, in which it received both weapons and training from Jordan and Israel, to then commit acts of sabotage and assassinations (leading to the ousting of Hamas). Hamas reacted to such a situation. It then faced a blockade by America and its allies in the region, again Hamas cannot be held responsible for the deteriorating situation, as a result of Fatah coordinating with regional allies not to allow wages to reach public service workers or for the blockade, which prevents anything from fuel to basic medical supplies. I find it surprising you should quote a liberal paper like the Independent on this, which is after all a deeply offensive editorial. Polls, baring the rigged ones run by an organisation close to the PA chief Ibn ‘Abd-Rabuh, have shown Hamas to be more popular than Fatah and with a popular support base. Sure some from the Palestinians may oppose Hamas’ policies but that is the nature of all societies, in one family you might have a Fatah, Hamas, PFLP and Islamic Jihad supporter. That is not only the case in Palestine but across the Arab world, as is the case in all countries, except in the discourse of the liberal media, that essentialises the middle-east as religious & conservative and hence viewed within a culturally racist prism.

    Just another point, Hamas are not thugs and they are not seekers of fame and money. That is one thing you cannot level against them or Hezbollah, although I am not discounting the possibility, as power corrupts. If Hamas’ member were a seeker of miserly share of this world, would they have continued to refuse to accept the existence of the Zionist state, have all its leading members kidnapped/assassinated, and more than that continue its commitment to policies, if changed, would instead be given all the power they want, as was offered to Hezbollah. Just because it does not accept the legal existence of ‘Israel’ does not mean it is not willing to negotiate and accept an indefinite peace deal, which implicitly accepts a status quo, as I said before. Is Hamas unreasonable, or maybe the problem is a vision that America and Zionists wish to impose, that of the iron wall, of the subjugated native, without bantustans and a shell of a state with no sovereignty. Also, it is important to understand the structural position of meaning of many Islamist groups – to accept ‘Israel’ is to break one of the basic tenets of Islam, similar to Zakat, that is not open to Ijtihad i.e. Palestine is a land of wakf.

  4. This reminds me of the discourse about the Bosnian war, its identical in some ways, (bad leaders, people suffer, decent leaders in short supply)

  5. ‘Towards Everlasting Peace.
    Towards a World without Israel.
    Towards the Third Intifada.

    PS: Jews are welcome to live in Palestine.’

    Of course Jews are free to live in Palestine. They can live as Dhimmi, that is second class citizens under Islam. That is how the Islamists view the conflict, replace a modern seculalar democratic state with an Islamic theocracy. I.e Hamas.

    I stand with Israel.

  6. I see Paul is another internet pseudo-libertarian who sees nothing wrong with his support for the Israeli state machinery.

  7. ‘I see Paul is another internet pseudo-libertarian who sees nothing wrong with his support for the Israeli state machinery.’

    Well yes so what? I believe Israel has a right to exist and to protect itself. Would you rather they did not as both Hamas and Hezbollah say so.

  8. The Israeli put the Palestinian in a big open air concentration camp called Gaza,without free passage
    in other Countries,even fishing is not possible .The Jewish should remember the Warschau getto and the Beginn in 1948 in Palestin when Hagana conclused the Endlösung for
    the Palestinian.

  9. “They can live as Dhimmi, that is second class citizens under Islam.” by Paul

    Dear Paul, Dhimmi doesn’t mean second class citizen, its means equal partners, moreover, they r people with rights, and muslims r obliged to protect them and treat them well, otherwise be punished, even if it was the head of the state.

    Didn’t u ever read about Omar Ibn Khattab’s incident with the Muslim ruler of Egypt when the latter’s son had a disagreement with a local Christian Egyptian boy while they were playing and hit him. Omar made the Egyptian Dhimmi boy to hit the muslim ruler along with his son in public, and then Omar said to the ruler, “When did u enslave people, when they were born free” that’s Omar’s saying, that’s Islam, since 1400 years ago saying the only recently discovered fact, that all people r equal.

    Muslims today are celebrating the day of Ashura which is the day prophet Moses crossed the red sea with his followers and was saved from the Pharaoh and his soldiers.

    Please do not judge Islam by the attitude and behaviour of the so called Muslims, I cannot judge Christianity by the state of Europe when it was ruled by the church, I think u have an idea how it was and I don’t need to elaborate more.

    Cheers :)

    Life is short, love more, hate less..

  10. Tam, I do not know where you get your facts from. Firstly can you provide me a source anywhere in fact an Islamic one would be good where Dhimmi are regarded as equal? You can’t but whilst you’re looking check out Qur’an 9:29. Dhimmi are ‘protected’ yes but not as equals at all and in Sharia the word of a Jew or Christian is worth half that of a Muslims as is their blood. People living as Dhimmi are secondary people and even to this day non-Muslims are treated badly in countries where the majority population are Islamic.

    ‘Please do not judge Islam by the attitude and behaviour of the so called Muslims, I cannot judge Christianity by the state of Europe when it was ruled by the church, I think u have an idea how it was and I don’t need to elaborate more.’

    I am free to judge whoever I like thanks. However I do not hate anyone, I am however firmly against Islam and the agenda propagated by many Muslims that Islam should subjugate other religions and doctrines. Freedom of conscience, democracy and equality are what I like. Peace (without Submission).

  11. Dear Amjad,

    The video surely documents some of the actions of Hamas or groups linked to Hamas. I think, like I have written in the post above this one, that there is an ‘ethos of death’ afflicting the Middle East and its politics.

    I found however the video’s assertion that ‘this is because of Islam’ a very reductive reading of the events. Indeed, I am very skeptical about adducing to religion (or culture for what it matters) human actions. But this is a too long discussion to hold here and I will devote, one day, an entire post to it.

    Thanks for reading my blog

  12. Paul,

    It is important not to ascribe religious motives to political ones that have been cloaked in religion. One need only look at the history of Christianity to find a vast disconnect between the action of Christian rulers and even of leaders of the church and the teachings of the Prince of Peace.

    You might want to read up on the history of the Crusades. The Christian Crusaders began their rampaging before they left Europe, warming up by killing Jews along the way and continuing their blood lust into Jerusalem. Contemporaneous sources report that the streets of the city ran red with the blood of the Jewish and Muslim residents of the city.

    On the other hand, when Saladin (as he is known in the West) re-took the city for the Muslims, he chose instead to spare the lives of the “People of the Book.” Now, you can argue that Christians and Jews were second-class citizens, but that’s a better alternative than to be summarily killed because one is non-Christian.

    Contemporary Islam is filled with political movements that selectively ascribe religious dicta to their ambitions. It would be wise to learn more about how and why this has such appeal. For in therein is the clue to resolving the conflicts that plague the region.

  13. While some of what you wrote was true, you are more or less ignoring the Arab (and Persian) countries contributions to this plight. Let’s not forget that there are many, many refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordan and there the Arabs are treated very poorly.

    Remember last year when there was a revolt in Lebanon in one of the camps? The Lebanese army went in and killed many people including civilians.

    Was there world condemnation then? U.N. resolutions condemning this? Of course not… As I am sure you are well aware, Arab countries are very quick to kill people in their refugee camps (women and children included). We all know King Hussein of Jordan killed thousands of people. Right now now in Iran, the persian majority is killing off a lot of their arab population…and not a word!

    However, when Israel responds to attacks EVERYONE has to have a say. This just goes to show the antisemitism that is involved. If there wasn’t, African-Arabs would be condemned by the U.N. for the murderous rampages they are still doing to the villagers of Africa. (as I am sure you are well aware)

    Just look at the Hezbollah conflict. Lebanon was FINALLY turning a corner. Everything was quiet…everybody was finally doing well…and Hezbollah had to attack an Israeli outpost for no reason. Israel reacted like any country would and you can see what happened from there.

    Simply put, Israel is acting no worse, if NOT BETTER then Arab countries and populations. I’m not saying they should not be held to a higher standard, but to criticize Israel and not criticize the Arab countries for doing the same thing (which is ongoing) is unbalanced and just leads to more issues.

    For an excellent book on this matter, read “The Case for Israel” by Alan Alan Dershowitz. He discusses while criticism of Israel is fair and valid, with equal criticism of Arab and Muslim peoples doing the same thing. Of course, that just doesn’t happen….

    • Dear Matt
      thank you for your comment. I agree with you that there are considerable human rights violations within some Arab countries and oppression. Lots of Muslims protests about such violations and lack of human respect. Yet it happens that the most brutal Arab regimes are also the best allies of western countries, especially the US, the UK and France. Are we surprised that there is not an amazing amount of complaint about those actions?

      However, as far as today in the Middle East, the only country which is killing an average of 100 to 150 people per day, with a high ratio of civilians and an unimaginable number of child victims and the only one to use phosphorous-bombs against civilian population, is not a dictatorship (as many of the Arab countries you have mentioned) but a ‘democracy’ which sees itself as ‘western’ ‘civilized’ and also ‘superior’ to all the other states in the region.

      I expect war crimes and atrocities from certain dictators and indeed, if I am not wrong, NATO and the US bombed Belgrade for this reason and brought to an international court for war crimes the former leaders of Serbia. We do not expect that a ‘democratic’ state is ready to perpetrate (alleged, at this stage) war crimes.

      I am sure that you will agree with me that nobody should be superior to international law as far as the Geneva Convention and war crimes are concerned. Israel is not allowing the press or even UN observers to document violations, which for instance the Red Cross has reported. Of course, as the Israeli government affirms, they can decide whatever they feel necessary to ‘protect’ their own people, even if that means to disregard a UN resolution (no other country has so impudently ignored UN resolutions!). Yet although nobody will ever bomb Tel Aviv to impose a UN resolution (indeed we do that only for to ‘enemies’) this does not mean that Israel would not face consequences. One of these, and the most important, is that Israel’s claim to being a ‘western’ style democracy guided by International principals sounds today more hypocritical and ridiculous than ever.

      Said that, we have also to recognize that to fully normalize Israel and to increase the possibility that the rest of the world (i.e. US) will enforce consequences, for instance through economic sanctions, we need that Israel is no longer considered to be a state fighting for survival, but rather merely a state as any other. These means that Arab countries have to recognize Israel, whether they like it or not. But this is another story…

  14. Morelightthanheat, ‘On the other hand, when Saladin (as he is known in the West) re-took the city for the Muslims, he chose instead to spare the lives of the “People of the Book.” Now, you can argue that Christians and Jews were second-class citizens, but that’s a better alternative than to be summarily killed because one is non-Christian.’

    Contemporary Islam is filled with political movements that selectively ascribe religious dicta to their ambitions. It would be wise to learn more about how and why this has such appeal. For in therein is the clue to resolving the conflicts that plague the region.’

    Thanks for commenting but this is nothing more than obfuscation. As to saying that as Saladin spared ‘the people of the book’ it was better for them to be second class citizens than dead. That would make sense if I was advocating a position along the lines of the Crusades. I am not. However now in the 21st Century Islamist organisations (e.g. Al Qaeda, HBT, Hamas, Hezbollah, et etc) are advocating that Israel and indeed the world adopt Sharia law. They are being retrogressive not me as I favour secular, democratic law which is an anathema to these groups. My point is quite simply the west has moved on from the crusades, large elements of Islam has not.

    Mentioning the crusades is silly in any case as they were preceded by 500 years of Islamic conquest. The Christian Kingdoms of Europe understandably felt threatened when Muslim armies could reach as far as Tours in central France. Undeniably their reaction viewed in the modern light was extreme. They did however feel threatened.

  15. 1300 People killed in Gaza More than 500 children
    or other civil persons.The hamas load the gun but Israel pull the trigger.It is not acceptebal for a so called democratie like Israel to do this massaker.Israel should end like South Africa
    A change is possible.

  16. israel had been attacked by arabs from beg.xx centuty till now but it always won the war even if it lost the peace that forced israel itself to lose land conquered after having been attacked and after the acquisition of the right to have a home land (balfour declaration).
    no will of arabs to solve the palestine conflict to continue to have israeli as enemy.
    gaza and west bank have the highest birth rate, is it possible so in a poor land?no in the normality, but in middle orient the matter becomes strategic and finalized to throw israel away.
    where hamas takes the money to build school and hospital?
    I stand with israel even though i do not stand with jews whose lobbies are bad for our western civilization.

    aronne

  17. those who are blaming Hamas and the resistance for defending their land, they are supporting the wrong side.

    you have to read the histroy, you have to know the truth.
    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/

    what will you do if a stranger came and take your home by violance?
    would you just welcome him?
    or you should get him out of your home?
    imagine that UN give the Zionists in 1947 a part of your home instead of Palestine, would you accept that?
    no one can blame palestinians for defending their home, for seaking freedom.

    don’t blame Hamas and resistance for their rocket, If Israel didn’t have siege on Gaza for the last six months, Hamas would not fire rockets on Israel… Imagine you are locked in your house for a while and you run out of supplies… What would you do???? So, STOP justifying criminal actions by blaming Hamas.
    no reasonable person can blame people who are fighting for their freedom.

  18. the lost world

    what if you were living in a science fiction world
    and your skies were filled with alien machines
    if alien beings ruled the earth
    what if when you fought back with sticks and stones
    the machines would slaughter you
    but when you hid, they would come for your children

    what if you were living in a science fiction world
    with alien beings and their killing machines
    and the only possibility of resistance
    the only means of causing pain for pain…
    what if the only aliens you could touch
    were the alien children and what if
    the alien children were as innocent
    and sweet as your own

    http://www.myspace.com/davidword

  19. وأنا مقتنع بأن سيرهم الى الجنة ، وأولئك الذين لم يعتقد محمد المشي اعتصامات جهنم النار الأبدية مع هذا الواقع ، ما فعلوه ، فإنها مرحلة الذهاب لإذلالهم أعمق مما كنت الإيمان

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